Comments on: Native Lab: KORE http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/ v4.0 a 12 Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:33:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.2 Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: Reaktor Forum http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-14308 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 07:51:47 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-14308 Reaktor is an absolute must in any Music Producers studio, the vast array of sounds really puts any other synth or modular system to shame. Not mention that now you can control the whole array of Komplete products via the Kore interface mmmmm Reaktor is an absolute must in any Music Producers studio, the vast array of sounds really puts any other synth or modular system to shame. Not mention that now you can control the whole array of Komplete products via the Kore interface mmmmm

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: Bunker 8 Digital Labs http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-6697 Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:43:27 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-6697 I had the fortune, (or rather misfortune) of trying out the KORE system. As a standalone system for live use of VST plugins, loads to recommend there. As a system used inside a sequencer as a plugin to gather all your plugins together and work under Cubase a disaster. What made it a disaster? There has not been a stable release of the program since it came out. Basically, it doesn't work under Cubase or any other VST host. It refuses to load on many occassions and on the occassions that it does load, it sucks CPU power like a horse. It is great to be able to combine all your NI plugins together and access them under a since interface, especially under a sequencer. If only it worked. The only way I could get it to work under any system was if I installed 1.0 of the plugin, saved the dll files elsewhere, installed the latest update, then reinstalled the KORE device with the latest drivers. Then it wouldn't crash Cubase, but unfortunately, then we couldn't get any of the knobs or switches on KORE to work inside Cubase. Usually closing down Cubase, loading up the standalone version of KORE, selecting a sound, then closing the standalone version of KORE and re-running Cubase would restore knob functionality, but then you were stuck with the prospect of the huge CPU load increase and the frequent possibilities of crashes. It has become a boat-anchor paperweight in my studio, a big waste of space and cash. Boo to Native Instruments for releasing something so bug, ridden. I have read on the forums that the conflict arrives when you have ACID and Cubase on the same system that KORE is installed on, but I have tried it on a fresh system and you still get the same results, so go figure... Purchase at your own risk. I had the fortune, (or rather misfortune) of trying out the KORE system. As a standalone system for live use of VST plugins, loads to recommend there. As a system used inside a sequencer as a plugin to gather all your plugins together and work under Cubase a disaster. What made it a disaster? There has not been a stable release of the program since it came out. Basically, it doesn’t work under Cubase or any other VST host. It refuses to load on many occassions and on the occassions that it does load, it sucks CPU power like a horse. It is great to be able to combine all your NI plugins together and access them under a since interface, especially under a sequencer. If only it worked. The only way I could get it to work under any system was if I installed 1.0 of the plugin, saved the dll files elsewhere, installed the latest update, then reinstalled the KORE device with the latest drivers. Then it wouldn’t crash Cubase, but unfortunately, then we couldn’t get any of the knobs or switches on KORE to work inside Cubase. Usually closing down Cubase, loading up the standalone version of KORE, selecting a sound, then closing the standalone version of KORE and re-running Cubase would restore knob functionality, but then you were stuck with the prospect of the huge CPU load increase and the frequent possibilities of crashes. It has become a boat-anchor paperweight in my studio, a big waste of space and cash. Boo to Native Instruments for releasing something so bug, ridden. I have read on the forums that the conflict arrives when you have ACID and Cubase on the same system that KORE is installed on, but I have tried it on a fresh system and you still get the same results, so go figure…

Purchase at your own risk.

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: Joel http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5656 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:39:58 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5656 yeah reason is the ultimate sketchpad. yeah reason is the ultimate sketchpad.

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: [david.kain] http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5654 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:41:56 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5654 I took the time to download and install the Reaktor 5 demo this weekend, and I have to agree! The sound quality is pretty huge, although I wonder if part of that is due to the big names they have designing their presets. That being said, the two software bundles serve different purposes. Reaktor has very powerful, very hungry synths for people who need pro sounding audio from the get-go. Reason, I feel, appeals more to the hobbiests that are so rampant, especially in electronic music. Out of the box, in a few hours, someone can be pumping out a whole song! Even for pros, that's a big deal, I think. Reason is an amazing tool for writing music, and building a track from scratch. Not having to deal with loading/freezing those hungry plug-ins, or even worse, plugging in and putzing around with hardware makes composition much more a painless (and enjoyable!) process. After saying all that, I'm still planning on buying Komplete 3, and at least trying out Kore. The sounds are simply too big! Reason, however, will without a doubt remain the 'first step' in my workflow. Cheers! I took the time to download and install the Reaktor 5 demo this weekend, and I have to agree! The sound quality is pretty huge, although I wonder if part of that is due to the big names they have designing their presets.

That being said, the two software bundles serve different purposes. Reaktor has very powerful, very hungry synths for people who need pro sounding audio from the get-go. Reason, I feel, appeals more to the hobbiests that are so rampant, especially in electronic music. Out of the box, in a few hours, someone can be pumping out a whole song!

Even for pros, that’s a big deal, I think. Reason is an amazing tool for writing music, and building a track from scratch. Not having to deal with loading/freezing those hungry plug-ins, or even worse, plugging in and putzing around with hardware makes composition much more a painless (and enjoyable!) process.

After saying all that, I’m still planning on buying Komplete 3, and at least trying out Kore. The sounds are simply too big! Reason, however, will without a doubt remain the ‘first step’ in my workflow.

Cheers!

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: Joel http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5645 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:06:00 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5645 I have to agree.. NI products sound much better than reason.. Peff gets a great sound out of reason but he's an uber power user (have you seen those template files) Reaktor just sound huge out of the box. Pity that kore doesn't live up to the rest of NI quality. I have to agree.. NI products sound much better than reason.. Peff gets a great sound out of reason but he’s an uber power user (have you seen those template files) Reaktor just sound huge out of the box. Pity that kore doesn’t live up to the rest of NI quality.

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: anap25 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5632 Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:51:04 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5632 Well you will be surprised once when you try NI and compare it to Reason within sound quality aspect. I dont want to bash Reason synths as they can be good sometimes but IMO they cant even compare. Once when you try Reaktor you will see what i am talking about. Anyway i hope that Props will update Reason filters on devices (oscilators on synts too) as this can bring dramatic sound quality expansion to Reason as it is. Well you will be surprised once when you try NI and compare it to Reason within sound quality aspect. I dont want to bash Reason synths as they can be good sometimes but IMO they cant even compare. Once when you try Reaktor you will see what i am talking about. Anyway i hope that Props will update Reason filters on devices (oscilators on synts too) as this can bring dramatic sound quality expansion to Reason as it is.

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: [david.kain] http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5591 Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:36:55 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5591 I think what I'm really curious is how the sound quality on NI products compares to Reason. I think what I’m really curious is how the sound quality on NI products compares to Reason.

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: Joel http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5547 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:07:09 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5547 I bought kore and returned it.. it's very buggy, the harware unit build quality is terrible. I had bad ground loop problems with the unit too. It'll probably be cool by it's 3rd release. I love NI products and I have komplete 3. Kore has a useful librarian feature that categorises your NI sounds, but honestly doesn't offer any hug sound authoring capabilities as opposed to a good vst host and the controller of your choice. Not to say it's all bad, just feels like a beta release to me. I bought kore and returned it.. it’s very buggy, the harware unit build quality is terrible. I had bad ground loop problems with the unit too. It’ll probably be cool by it’s 3rd release.
I love NI products and I have komplete 3. Kore has a useful librarian feature that categorises your NI sounds, but honestly doesn’t offer any hug sound authoring capabilities as opposed to a good vst host and the controller of your choice. Not to say it’s all bad, just feels like a beta release to me.

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: [david.kain] http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5401 Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:21:09 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5401 I wonder what kind of studio could be built using NI gear as the focus, hosted in something like Logic, or maybe even Live? It'd be interested to see how a completely soft studio would fare. I wonder what would make the cut? Hmm.. maybe effects should be hardware... (mumble mumble, ponder, smell of burning wood). This is going to take some careful consideration. On this same token, have you ever used NI's stuff? I played around with Absynth once in a Sam Ash for a little while, but I hate doing that stuff in the middle of a store with reps hassling you, and a few Joe Schmoes reminding us with their amps turned all the way up that they do, indeed, know how to play Stairway to Heaven. I wonder what kind of studio could be built using NI gear as the focus, hosted in something like Logic, or maybe even Live?

It’d be interested to see how a completely soft studio would fare. I wonder what would make the cut? Hmm.. maybe effects should be hardware… (mumble mumble, ponder, smell of burning wood).

This is going to take some careful consideration.

On this same token, have you ever used NI’s stuff? I played around with Absynth once in a Sam Ash for a little while, but I hate doing that stuff in the middle of a store with reps hassling you, and a few Joe Schmoes reminding us with their amps turned all the way up that they do, indeed, know how to play Stairway to Heaven.

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: Peff http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5353 Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:45:12 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5353 Yeah, it's impressive. If you're already a big NI user and have Komplete, then Kore is definitely a plus, or even if you're just big into VSTi, or other softsynths, it's like having a combinator for all of your software. Yeah, it’s impressive. If you’re already a big NI user and have Komplete, then Kore is definitely a plus, or even if you’re just big into VSTi, or other softsynths, it’s like having a combinator for all of your software.

]]> Comment on Native Lab: KORE by: [david.kain] http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5341 Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:45:53 +0000 http://www.peff.com/journal/2006/08/15/native-lab-kore/#comment-5341 KORE got a great review in the most recent issue of SOUND ON SOUND. It looks pretty amazing, especially as the hub of a software studio which (as you already said) focuses primarily on plug-ins. It's too bad Reason's instruments can't be used as plug-ins! KORE got a great review in the most recent issue of SOUND ON SOUND. It looks pretty amazing, especially as the hub of a software studio which (as you already said) focuses primarily on plug-ins.

It’s too bad Reason’s instruments can’t be used as plug-ins!

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