I remember this file from a couple of years back. Or did you change anything to it recently?
DrREX is not spot on when it comes to microsecond-timing I need to say. Anthing lower than 10 ms is not played properly. I can imagine that recording the MIDI output would be a cool idea too to capture the timing of the MPC. Have you tried this?
An indispensable tool for those of us wishing to apply that infectious and popular MPC swing to our Reason Songs! Very effective results. Thank you for you time and work creating this simple yet brilliant tool for us Kurt. You are a kind and clever man of inestimable worth to the Reason community. Cheers, Anthony Jacobs
i have been waiting for something like this, thank you very much. i tried to make a beat with it but it would not play the 1st beat of the bar. is this possible to do, or is it just to be applied to beats that are already made in reasons. either way this is dope, you know since this can be done with the, mpc 3000, we are going to be looking for the, mpc 60, 2000xl and the 2500. just a thought, but please consider it. thanks again, you have given a MUCH needed tool for reason users. keep up the great work. peace.
Wow,
I have been trying to figure out a way to do this for a long time now. I just read the article and I’m gonna try it out tonight after work! I can’t wait! I’m a certified Apple Tech in the ATL so being a computer nerd on a low budget I needed something like this! I have a ton of MPC sounds, and alot of pro board sounds the only element missing is the swing! Until now!
You are the man!
Bari-D
I tried to open the .rns files for the tutorial, but it said “unsupported format.” All of my .rns (song) files open fine. I didn’t accidently use the MAC file either. Any ideas on what the problem could be? Thanks.
Well, I was trying to finish the tutorial and realized the “NoGroove” is probably still in Reason 3 format. If you get the time, can you send that to me or post it here? Thanks in advance if that is possible.
Unfortunately, I can’t provide the NoGroove file in Reason 1.0 format. What you could do is follow the process through step 4, then in step 5, substitute the file with one of your own songs or even the default Reason song.
Note: Quantization only affects MIDI events, so Redrum and Matrix Patterns will not be quantized. However, you can convert Redrum patterns to MIDI note events. Right Click on a Redrum or Matrix in the track list, and select the “Convert pattern to Track Notes” item. You can then proceed with tutorial from step 6.
This all sounds very interesting…. I have wondered for a while whether the famous MPC groove templates differ much from the percentage swing quantize available within Cubase (SL1, for me).
Peff, would there be any chance at all of making the .rex files available for those of us without Reason? That would be fantastic, and very much appreciated. It would enable me to answer a question that’s been bugging me for a while now ;o)
your a champion Peff. i remember when i first read your blog a while back and asked you for the raw midi files. those templates did not disappoint! loading them the first time over a 808 beat i made in EXS24… it rolled so hard. i had a smile on my face all week!
peace my friend =)
To make a REX file, you will still need ReCycle. It’s pretty easy with Reason, since you can export a loop then import it into ReCycle and quickly set the slice points for the REX loop.
thank you for the tutorial but i was unable to try it as every time i try to open the nugroove file in reason 2.5 it says unsupported format. is the file for pc or mac,im using pc.
There shouldn’t be any problems with the files on Windows, however the files are made with Reason 3.0. Unfortunately they are not backwards compatible. Check the reply on March 26 which explains how you can try the quantization exercises with Reason 2.5. The download link is for a Reason 1.0 file which should work fine with any version.
I completely enjoy the MPC groove template for reason, it is just a wonderful thing, I really appreciate it. Do you know, since it is a 4-bar loop, if the MPC 3000 applies a swing throughout the entire track, or does a 4-bar loop capture the actual timing differences and an actual MPC 3000 hardware unit does the same. Basically, what I’m asking is: Does the MPC 3000 hardware apply for example 53% swing and it VARIES throughout the entire sequence, or is it basically a 4-bar loop that doesn’t change?
i have been wondering for ages on how to get some kind of groove goin through any type of software for drumming, so that it doesnt sound soooo robotic. and then i came across this. thank you so much! this is a solution for people who want that great mpc feel, but without having 2 dig deep for a new mpc.
Hi,
I tried your templates with Reason Sequencer and once with my MPC.
I have to say that the feeling of the MPC is much better than the templates.
Sad, cuz i would have really needed some extra cash for selling my MPC, but after that NO WAY.
Yes, I still own my MPC-3000 as well. Programming a groove is easier on the pads and the drum sequencer. It’s a great tool, and you should keep it! It’s also a great clock source for Reason
i had an idea tonight, how you could make this stuff available to cubase and logic users also. if you give us those hihats - every single .wav from 50 to 75 (i downloaded reason demo and listened to your rsn data) , we could use the hihats. cubase has a feature to create hitpoints in audio and create a groove from it. but we´d need a minimum of two bars for each quantization step.
Peff, plz could you repost the MPC Grooves as a raw MIDI file again, as mentioned earlier? I don’t have Reason but would like to import them into Cubase VST 5.0 if possible. Any help greatly appreciated
could you post the mpc midi files I use logic and can’t export them out of the demo version of reason. I wish someone would make a daw that grooves as much as mpc. I have used protools(1 year) midi sucked moved on to logic(1 year) good midi but designed for techno I am a rock/r&b/country song writer looking for a solid kick snare and hat. The only thing I have heard that comes close is the akai and my system is not setup for a drummachine I only have 2 inputs on my rossetta 200. It sure makes you feel like shit when some guy on youtube can make a great sequence in 5 minutes on a mpc Iv been looking for 2 years. marvin
[…] Many years ago I created a file of MPC 3000 grooves which were very popular on this site, and with the introduction of the Reason 4.0 ReGroove mixer, I planned to revisit this project with a set of groove templates. Originally i tried importing the old files, but I encountered some problems. Recently I decided to re-record the beats and reanalyze them for groove extraction. These groove patterns are four measures long with inconsistent timings (see the previous posting: MPC Groove Template Tutorial. The original REX files are also included in the refill along with development files I used to create the set. […]
[…] The old tutorial on MPC Groove Templates is still pretty popular, and usually fall at the top of the stats. I figured it was about time that I updated the old tutorial with something new that explains how to use the ReGroove Mixer in Reason 4.0. […]
[…] MPC Groove Template Tutorial The MPC-3000 Groove Templates are MIDI sequences extracted from sample loops created with an Akai MPC-3000 MIDI Production Center. Originally, this project involved creating MIDI files on the MPC and transferring them to a computer for import into Reason, but the results did not quite have the same feel as loops created with the MPC. The timing does not seem to capture the groove when using imported MIDI files. The problem could be the difference in PPQ (Pulse Per Quarter Note) resolution on different sequencers, or perhaps the latency and timing of the circuitry in the sampler engine. […]
January 28th, 2006 at 11:42 am
THANKS A LOT KURT ? YOU ARE A GENIUS !
January 28th, 2006 at 2:14 pm
I remember this file from a couple of years back. Or did you change anything to it recently?
DrREX is not spot on when it comes to microsecond-timing I need to say. Anthing lower than 10 ms is not played properly. I can imagine that recording the MIDI output would be a cool idea too to capture the timing of the MPC. Have you tried this?
February 2nd, 2006 at 9:22 am
Thank you very much kind sir. I’ve been hungering for a way to bring back that groove from the MPC I so absent-mindedly sold. Big ups.
February 6th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
Cool. thanks! goes for the book too
February 6th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
Thanx man.
February 18th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
thank you for helping me. i love the mpc 2 . my man rocwilder help with my drums on it.good looking one love.
February 20th, 2006 at 9:53 am
An indispensable tool for those of us wishing to apply that infectious and popular MPC swing to our Reason Songs! Very effective results. Thank you for you time and work creating this simple yet brilliant tool for us Kurt. You are a kind and clever man of inestimable worth to the Reason community. Cheers, Anthony Jacobs
March 2nd, 2006 at 2:16 am
i have been waiting for something like this, thank you very much. i tried to make a beat with it but it would not play the 1st beat of the bar. is this possible to do, or is it just to be applied to beats that are already made in reasons. either way this is dope, you know since this can be done with the, mpc 3000, we are going to be looking for the, mpc 60, 2000xl and the 2500. just a thought, but please consider it. thanks again, you have given a MUCH needed tool for reason users. keep up the great work. peace.
chano
March 6th, 2006 at 11:43 am
Wow,
I have been trying to figure out a way to do this for a long time now. I just read the article and I’m gonna try it out tonight after work! I can’t wait! I’m a certified Apple Tech in the ATL so being a computer nerd on a low budget I needed something like this! I have a ton of MPC sounds, and alot of pro board sounds the only element missing is the swing! Until now!
You are the man!
Bari-D
March 26th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
I tried to open the .rns files for the tutorial, but it said “unsupported format.” All of my .rns (song) files open fine. I didn’t accidently use the MAC file either. Any ideas on what the problem could be? Thanks.
March 26th, 2006 at 5:20 pm
I re-saved all of the files as version 3.0 RNS files. These are probably not backwards compatible to Reason 2.5.
I no longer have 2.5 installed, but try the old Reason 1.0.1 Groove template file, and let me know if this gives you problems:
Old Peff-MPC-Grooves-MIDI.zip
March 26th, 2006 at 9:56 pm
That worked, thanks.
March 26th, 2006 at 10:17 pm
Well, I was trying to finish the tutorial and realized the “NoGroove” is probably still in Reason 3 format. If you get the time, can you send that to me or post it here? Thanks in advance if that is possible.
March 26th, 2006 at 10:52 pm
Unfortunately, I can’t provide the NoGroove file in Reason 1.0 format. What you could do is follow the process through step 4, then in step 5, substitute the file with one of your own songs or even the default Reason song.
Note: Quantization only affects MIDI events, so Redrum and Matrix Patterns will not be quantized. However, you can convert Redrum patterns to MIDI note events. Right Click on a Redrum or Matrix in the track list, and select the “Convert pattern to Track Notes” item. You can then proceed with tutorial from step 6.
April 2nd, 2006 at 8:30 pm
This all sounds very interesting…. I have wondered for a while whether the famous MPC groove templates differ much from the percentage swing quantize available within Cubase (SL1, for me).
Peff, would there be any chance at all of making the .rex files available for those of us without Reason? That would be fantastic, and very much appreciated. It would enable me to answer a question that’s been bugging me for a while now ;o)
Regards,
SC.
April 4th, 2006 at 7:11 am
your a champion Peff. i remember when i first read your blog a while back and asked you for the raw midi files. those templates did not disappoint! loading them the first time over a 808 beat i made in EXS24… it rolled so hard. i had a smile on my face all week!
peace my friend =)
May 15th, 2006 at 4:20 am
These are excellent, you have saved me some cash on that mpc!
I owe you a drink
May 31st, 2006 at 3:24 pm
This is great!
I have been wondering why my beats were somewhat sterile compared to others.
Does anyone know how to export a .rex from a .rns?
I want to import the .rex files into Cubase to apply the MPC quantize to beats created there using Reason rewired in.
I was able to export the midi from Reason and import into Cubase, but I think that it woll suffer from same problem as bringing the midi into Reason.
June 1st, 2006 at 1:10 pm
Does cubase import REX loops?
To make a REX file, you will still need ReCycle. It’s pretty easy with Reason, since you can export a loop then import it into ReCycle and quickly set the slice points for the REX loop.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
thank you for the tutorial but i was unable to try it as every time i try to open the nugroove file in reason 2.5 it says unsupported format. is the file for pc or mac,im using pc.
July 4th, 2006 at 3:10 pm
i followed the instructions above but it wouldn’t work for me.i think it’s because i have a pc
July 4th, 2006 at 10:38 pm
There shouldn’t be any problems with the files on Windows, however the files are made with Reason 3.0. Unfortunately they are not backwards compatible. Check the reply on March 26 which explains how you can try the quantization exercises with Reason 2.5. The download link is for a Reason 1.0 file which should work fine with any version.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:56 pm
Peff,
I completely enjoy the MPC groove template for reason, it is just a wonderful thing, I really appreciate it. Do you know, since it is a 4-bar loop, if the MPC 3000 applies a swing throughout the entire track, or does a 4-bar loop capture the actual timing differences and an actual MPC 3000 hardware unit does the same. Basically, what I’m asking is: Does the MPC 3000 hardware apply for example 53% swing and it VARIES throughout the entire sequence, or is it basically a 4-bar loop that doesn’t change?
Thanks again so much its so excellent!
November 6th, 2006 at 6:48 pm
Peff mate, u r a legend!
i have been wondering for ages on how to get some kind of groove goin through any type of software for drumming, so that it doesnt sound soooo robotic. and then i came across this. thank you so much! this is a solution for people who want that great mpc feel, but without having 2 dig deep for a new mpc.
thanks once again bro,
DjP
December 23rd, 2006 at 2:00 pm
Hi,
I tried your templates with Reason Sequencer and once with my MPC.
I have to say that the feeling of the MPC is much better than the templates.
Sad, cuz i would have really needed some extra cash for selling my MPC, but after that NO WAY.
But thanx for trying it.
Peace
December 24th, 2006 at 6:05 pm
Yes, I still own my MPC-3000 as well. Programming a groove is easier on the pads and the drum sequencer. It’s a great tool, and you should keep it! It’s also a great clock source for Reason
January 31st, 2007 at 7:25 am
hey peff !
can you make this quantization setting available for cubase sx users also ?
i´d like to get those settings but dunno how to import your rsn stuff
thx
January 31st, 2007 at 11:48 pm
i had an idea tonight, how you could make this stuff available to cubase and logic users also. if you give us those hihats - every single .wav from 50 to 75 (i downloaded reason demo and listened to your rsn data) , we could use the hihats. cubase has a feature to create hitpoints in audio and create a groove from it. but we´d need a minimum of two bars for each quantization step.
that´d be great !
thank you in advance
March 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Peff, plz could you repost the MPC Grooves as a raw MIDI file again, as mentioned earlier? I don’t have Reason but would like to import them into Cubase VST 5.0 if possible. Any help greatly appreciated
March 22nd, 2007 at 11:21 pm
could you post the mpc midi files I use logic and can’t export them out of the demo version of reason. I wish someone would make a daw that grooves as much as mpc. I have used protools(1 year) midi sucked moved on to logic(1 year) good midi but designed for techno I am a rock/r&b/country song writer looking for a solid kick snare and hat. The only thing I have heard that comes close is the akai and my system is not setup for a drummachine I only have 2 inputs on my rossetta 200. It sure makes you feel like shit when some guy on youtube can make a great sequence in 5 minutes on a mpc Iv been looking for 2 years. marvin
February 15th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
[…] Many years ago I created a file of MPC 3000 grooves which were very popular on this site, and with the introduction of the Reason 4.0 ReGroove mixer, I planned to revisit this project with a set of groove templates. Originally i tried importing the old files, but I encountered some problems. Recently I decided to re-record the beats and reanalyze them for groove extraction. These groove patterns are four measures long with inconsistent timings (see the previous posting: MPC Groove Template Tutorial. The original REX files are also included in the refill along with development files I used to create the set. […]
November 18th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
[…] The old tutorial on MPC Groove Templates is still pretty popular, and usually fall at the top of the stats. I figured it was about time that I updated the old tutorial with something new that explains how to use the ReGroove Mixer in Reason 4.0. […]
January 13th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
[…] MPC Groove Template Tutorial The MPC-3000 Groove Templates are MIDI sequences extracted from sample loops created with an Akai MPC-3000 MIDI Production Center. Originally, this project involved creating MIDI files on the MPC and transferring them to a computer for import into Reason, but the results did not quite have the same feel as loops created with the MPC. The timing does not seem to capture the groove when using imported MIDI files. The problem could be the difference in PPQ (Pulse Per Quarter Note) resolution on different sequencers, or perhaps the latency and timing of the circuitry in the sampler engine. […]